Updated: Oct 9, 2021
“The beauty of deep learning, AI, machine work, algorithm max function for efficiency and effectiveness in conversion of data is so that we can make a better decision of our carbon grain, says Wade Lightheart. However, he points out one problem: “... because of the exponential expansion of nature and our lack of experience in these digital systems, we as humans have not learned how not to become the machine but to use the machine to become better human.”
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Dr. Reiner Kraft 0:09
So welcome, I'm Reiner, founder of the mindful leader and co-founder of the New You. It ave a special guest here today, Wade Lightheart. Interesting to know, Wade is a three-time all-natural, national bodybuilding champion adviser to the American anti-cancer Institute Director of Education at BiOptimizer nutrition. And a lot of other things. When you look at this website, I will share the links later. It's an exciting background experience. And I'm glad, Wade, that you took some time out of your busy schedule today. So we can chat a bit about some of the topics of interest.
Wade Lightheart 0:52
Yeah, thanks, great to be here. You know, I'm fascinated right now with the fusion between optimal health performance as well, particularly in digital executives, because as a co-founder BiOptimizers, we have a fusion of those two issues. And I think it's something that leaders need to be aware of and address as we move forward into the new frontier of society.
Dr. Reiner Kraft 1:16
Very well. And this is precisely one of the topics for me. I spent many, many years in high tech in data science topics in research. And I've built up a research lab around deep learning and AI at Zalando, herein, in Berlin, Germany. And for me, but then the exciting part always was with all those advances in technology, how can those be leveraged on a progressive scale to pretty much everyone on the planet. But then, when I look at those people who are making it happen. These are usually the tech leaders or, in general, of course, a broader set of leadership, not just tech leadership. My focus usually is more around tech leadership. And it is at the end, these people who helped to build these complex systems helped to build algorithms that can deal with this. And of course, I've also seen a lot of developments and explosion of algorithms and focus more on biotech in the past years, definitely here in Europe, but also in China, but also in the Silicon Valley as well. This intersection brings technology, bringing algorithms together with better forms of mind management, better conditions of helping people how to eat well. And then how to become more and more proactive, to learn more about their own body and their way of optimizing themselves. So I mean, that's a little bit of the background. Also, on my side, why I got very interested in this topic.
Wade Lightheart 3:03
Yeah, it's a fascinating topic. Ironically, when I started in university, I originally started in computer science but was recognized very quickly that I would be a disastrous programmer if I transferred into exercise physiology. But now 25, well actually no, it's 30 years later, it's come full circle. And my company, which is a health-based company, uses a tremendous amount of digital technology to optimize the health and well-being and the functionality and performance of people in the tech industry. So, it's funny how life comes around in circles.
Dr. Reiner Kraft 3:44
Maybe you can share a bit of what exactly you guys are doing and how you're helping some of those leaders.
Wade Lightheart 3:52
Yeah, so my business partner and I and my business partner have a deep background in tech. He's built 13. I believe now online digital-based companies are very successful marketers in that way. And our computer science team has many PhDs in, you know, technology-based systems, AI, these types of things, and you need that today, as a company that's marketing online. This is the future, this is where humanity's going. And so one of the things that we've noticed is that if we go back in time when I was in university, the idea was, hey, machines are going to ultimately make our lives better, more efficient, more effective, to do more things. And that is true to a certain extent. Still, if you track the historical aspects of people in the tech industry, often, when they hit the zenith of their success, they run into significant health challenges, relationship challenges, cognitive overload because we're learning as a species of how do we interact with, you know, the carbon extension, or the silicon extension of our carbon-based brains. And the idea is to make machines make us better humans, not humans in slaves to the devices. And the cognitive load for people in the digital space is extreme, and many of the most gifted and brightest people, I think what happens, their body becomes just an extension of that machine. In other words, it's just something that carries their brain around them. And they get so wrapped up in the complexity of their business that 10, 20, 30 years go by, and suddenly the physical machines break down, and they're like, Hey, what happened here. And our message, particularly with some of our latest developments in advancing optimal performance for people in the tech industry, you know, high-pressure executives, people who are deep down in the creation of the, essentially the new society that is emerging here on planet Earth, is to remind them, that all the tech in the world will no do them no suitable if you've forgotten a few fundamental essentials to make the human organism run correctly. So we think that there's an opportunity to help disease. And we're very passionate about doing that for people, whether that's a cognitive enhancement, through nootropic developments, whether that is mindfulness practices, or using technology to monitor essential basic health functions, and then to make the suggestions, lifestyle-wise, that will help them optimize the physical body so that they can do their work in in the non-physical field.
Dr. Reiner Kraft 6:47
Very good. And this is, indeed, also my observation that I see tech leaders, tech executives, they're building these complex systems and algorithms and chains to change the world. And they're very successful with it. But when it comes looking at, actually, at the old body, and looking at this as a complex, or very difficult body, the most complex system that exists here on the planet, and they're not paying too much, unfortunately, too much attention to it to this to this to their design, as you're saying, she was saying, and so then what's happening, not immediately. Still, usually, in 10 years, 15 years, that's what I typically observe in terms of time. It takes 10, 20 years, as you're not paying attention to your own body and not optimizing, so to speak, what happened then at that point can happen very fast, and performance is declining, you become less and less resilient. And there are all kinds of other symptoms that you may experience, particularly stress, as you know, is one of your body's worst enemies. And so the problem is that they're looking at this. Also, they're very good at setting goals for the next quarter's reading. For the year, on how to make the company successful. Unfortunately, many of them don't set their own goals or okrs, so to speak, on how to optimize and, and pay more attention or prioritize their bodies, right?
Wade Lightheart 8:27
Yeah, if you think of three great examples, I believe in the modern era of this. First and foremost, we have Steve Jobs, who completely transformed what was possible by bridging the gap between high tech and the regular, uneducated tech person. In other words, we moved technology away from big computing big firms and into the power of the individual which, you know, set in motion and rapid expansion of people interested because of the interactivity. But he lost his life very early in the world, lost his genius, probably for another, you know, good 20 to 30 years where he could have been continuing to innovate and direct the world. Then we have, I think one of the best known biohackers, the father of biohacking, but a lot of people say he was is Dave Asprey, who as a tech executive, found himself in dire straits and began to apply technology to transform his health in order that he could, you know, continue to live because his curve was something was very damaging. And then, between those people, I think you have someone like Tim Ferriss, who was very involved and the early startup culture in technology, the explosion in Silicon Valley in San Francisco and all that sort of stuff, but really kind of advanced biohacking, and recognize that some of the challenges and anxiety and things that he was facing, which he's come out publicly about in that field, He needed to bridge that gap. So we have three kinds of three models, right there. And all of them are saying the same thing, that your performance in the digital world will ultimately be compromised unless you address these issues. And the sooner that you address them, the better that they are. And now in order to address them, you first need to bring awareness, what are the common problems? What are the common symptoms? And how do you prevent them, or pull back from them if they're already emerging in your life?
Dr. Reiner Kraft 10:32
That's a good point. Regarding the awareness, maybe to ask you about this, right? I mean, there was probably some reflection point in your life, when you were also becoming more and more aware of your body, of your system, right? The system of the body, how to optimize it. But what got you more into it? What was this, this, this point? Somehow you said, Oh, this is not something I actually have to prioritize, I have to make it more important to actually spend time doing something. What, what was this time basically?
Wade Lightheart 11:10
Well, you know, I have the unique position, I think, away from most of the tech folks, as I would commonly refer to the tech folks, people that are insanely smart in this tech world, which I would say I'm not, I was always passionate about sports, athletics and performance. And my sister was diagnosed with cancer at an early age and died at the age of 22, when I was a teenager, and this was just in my first year of computer science. And I switched out, as I mentioned earlier, into exercise physiology, because I wanted to know the care and the function of the body and how to perform. And so I went through the health industry, until it resulted in you know, me, representing my country of Canada at the Mr. Universe contest. And shortly after that contest, I gained 42 pounds of fat and water in 11 weeks, and one from Mr. Universe to Mr. Marshmallow. And that led me to, you know, you can imagine I have the best coach in the world. I've got 16 years of discipline. I record recognizes the ideal of physical aesthetics in the industry, and I'm an absolute physical wreck. And I'm like, how is this possible, which is very similar to a crisis that many people in the tech industry face, you know, at the zenith of their career, or their relationships are their health, or their mental well being starts to break down what the same thing happened to me and I met a doctor, who was well renowned for rebuilding people from the inside out dealing with digestive health, enzymes, probiotics, specific, especially special specifications in addressing dietary components, leaky gut, and this was like 20 years ago, when nobody was talking about it was very radical. I embarked on a complete mentorship with him, rebuilt my physicality, and was able to hit high performance levels. concordantly met my business partner, who was, you know, a successful online marketer in the early days of, you know, when Google was just getting going, and these types of things, he said that, hey, why don't we start producing courses online. And I didn't believe that anybody was making money. He didn't believe that I didn't own a computer because I had spent a bunch of time around after or during Mr. Universe, where I spent some time in India, and got into mindfulness and meditation practice and things like that. So we built that program, and it took me about four years. We coached over 15,000 people globally, where I can start to see patterns emerging within the research, and then from that we developed a set of principles. I call it the awesome formula, which I give this away on our website. So people can have a systematic way of addressing first principles of health and vitality. We don't even get to supplements until like, five levels down. There's a lot of things that you can do before that. And then we started doing that.
And then ironically, as the success of our company began to grow in the digital world, and expansion, and I took on two other projects, so I became a serial entrepreneur, like half the other people in tech, you get so excited about the new developments and you want to get on and I ended up working. You know, I was working between 12 and 15 hours every day for two years. I didn't take a day off and hit the wall completely burned out. And first I had to rebuild my nervous system. I was using neurofeedback to realize that my brain had lost its ability to derive all of the neurochemicals that allowed for happiness and high performance. We hooked ourselves up and I had the brain of a seven year old. And I was like, wow, how did this happen? I'm supposed to be a health and performance guy. And now I've got this wildly successful company. I've overextended myself. And now I've got myself into a crisis. The good news was that I had the resources and capabilities, I knew what I needed to do. And I began to apply for it, I dropped off one of the businesses that I was doing, I had to make some lifestyle changes. And then I implemented a variety of things, nervous system optimization. And then that led to neuro chemical optimization. And we ended up creating a sub brand to the company, which is Nootopia, which deals primarily with cognitive performance.
And, and we're continuing to expand our offerings in both that area as well as digestive health, because what a lot of people don't understand is that we make the false assumption that everything that goes into our mouth gets converted into the energy units and building blocks of our body. But we live in a symbiotic relationship with these little bacterias. And sometimes called probiotics, sometimes referred to as the microbiome. But basically, the symbiotic relationship means that if we do not have sufficient amounts of these workers, and I would also add enzymes to that equation is without those two aspects, enzymes and probiotics, which are the only things that actually do work in your body, then our capabilities are extremely limited in the physical level, and will continue to degenerate as we age. And that means a couple of things. One, your quality of life, your ability to perform well, your health and your happiness are going to suffer. And they're going to decline and sometimes rather rapidly with the development of a disease. The second thing is, if you can change that component, you can now meet the almost unlimited demands of cognitive extension that, you know, silicon based systems provide. So the beauty of, you know, deep learning AI, machine work, computational capabilities, algorithmic functions, for efficiency, and effectiveness and conversion of data is so that we can make better decisions from our carbon brain.
The problem is, if, because of the exponential expansive nature, and our lack of experience in these digital systems, we as humans have not learned how not to become the machine, but to use the machine to become better humans. And so right now the opportunity in which is often written with the symbol of crisis in, in Chi, Shu script in Asia, they show both things is that tech leaders today are certainly the more successful ones and the ones making the best impact. They're starting to recognize, wait a minute, you know, our valuations are important, the expansion, our market share, the development of new technology that puts us in a highly leveraged position that no one else can compete with us. And that major press to get there that happens if you're in startups and these types of things, needs to be offset with being able to ensure that both the executives and the people working under them are fully functional and making good decisions as healthy carbon based organisms extended into the digital world. And so this is a fascinating field, which we're spending a lot of time, effort and energy and research on. And it's a lot of fun. And the results speak for themselves, we're now able to assist with executives who were feeling the cognitive burnout from excessive neurotransmitter deficiency due to dietary components, and now are able to operate at peak levels and sustain them with and make better decisions and become more efficient and effective executives.
Dr. Reiner Kraft 18:47
Oh, is this really interesting stuff? And as I'm a tech leader, myself, I spent the last 15, 20 years in tech in the Silicon Valley. And I, I observed exactly what you were describing, right is basically, there is at some point, you're not aware of what's happening there, you focus on your, on your goals, objectives, there's all this fancy new tech coming in, that keeps your mind completely busy. And at the end of the day, your neurotransmitters, they require energy. And if you don't feed your body, basically with the proper nutrients, there will not be sufficient energy to try all those things, right. And so I would make this hypothesis that pretty much everyone in tech doesn't have to be a leader, we can be just engineers, designers, Product Managers, whatever they're working, they have to work at the end at a very high capacity at very high performance. And so it's not a matter of basically if but basically when the time comes in their career when this eventually this thing is catching up right if the if the body is not getting sufficient energy is not taking care properly, so the system can't function optimally, it will continuously spiral down and at some point, you will notice the symptoms. Right. And so and so the question then is you mentioned about already awareness, that is a key point. Getting in this becoming more aware, you mentioned mindfulness as well for yourself, when you started exploring this, do you think this is something that for us tech leaders, there is a certain stage when it comes to them that they need to become more aware, or they suddenly become more aware to get it into this or get started? So basically, getting them not doing the mistake of waiting 10 years, and then all of a sudden, everything is down the toilet? But actually now starting to get into this? What do you think?
Wade Lightheart 20:52
I believe we're on the cusp of that awareness where it's, it's an emerging field, largely, because if you look historically, and let's just deal with some facts first and for because the tech industry, by nature, requires extreme cognitive capabilities, it just does. I mean, you know, this is a very highly specialized, very rapidly expanding field and has certain time pressures built into the model. It's unavoidable just because of the nature of technology. Now, if we look at psychological profiling of neurocognitive functioning, most people's cognitive capabilities start to decline at 25. Okay, in other words, there is rust building into the machine used to oxidative damage, lack of blood flow to the brain, and improper nutrition being delivered to the system in order to manufacture the neurotransmitters that are concordant with optimal brain functions. So let's get into brain function really quickly. Because I think it's important for people in this industry to understand how the mechanism works. And then they can make it once I'm going to give them a very simple model that can be validated by psychological science, but it's also related to their performance of function. So when you eat food, that food goes through a five stage digestive process. And in its fourth stage, at the point where it's actually the food that is converted by these symbiotic relationships with bacteria, it's converted into energy units and building blocks. Many of the neurotransmitters that make your brain work and make you feel good, are actually built by these organisms in your gut, to the modern world has damaged these or eliminated these to such a wide variety of extent, we have people that are in coming out in their teenage years with in imbalances in neuro chemistry, which limits them excessively. Second, what's interesting is some of these limitations early on, seem to indicate there may be benefits, I want to be clear. So you see a high amount of people who say, Habsburger is very, very successful in the tech industry, because they're able to stay highly focused for long periods of time because they're only operating on a very narrow band of neural chemistry. And the whole array of human experience is locked away from them, because they're not able to manufacture the neurotransmitters to experience these other things. And they keep extending the axiom dendrite connections inside their brain related to certain cognitive functions.
And so you see this emerging even more and more, until disaster strikes because you can only you know, it's like it's like a three wheeled car. Yes, it'll go down the road, but sooner or later, you're gonna hit a turn and then the wheels gonna fall in the car is gonna flip and you're gonna crash and burn and you might survive it, you might not but there's going to be unnecessary damage to that machine. So when we look at this cognitive performance, there are a couple things number one, neuroplasticity What does that mean? That means your capability to develop new axiom dendrite connections related to skill. This ability is anchored by the dopamine loop. So human organisms have developed reward systems based on positive skill development. So, you know, 2000 years ago, the ability to throw a spear very well through repetition and practice made you more accurate and that made you a more successful person in the world of tribal warfare. And through it or survival between, you know, predators or whether that's involved in learning the skills around positive farming, horticulture, any of those things. So as you learn, there's a dopamine release, which strengthens the axiom dendrite connections inside your brain very much like adding more computing power to your more networks to your silicon brain.
And so what we didn't understand is in engineering, you just go get some more tips and some more wires and you learn. And so we understand engineering, you're always trying to get faster and faster computing more and more power through the development of chip technology, and how you and how you build out the functioning of those mathematical models that allows the computers to do certain things. Well, it's the same thing in your own brain. So what is interesting is that silicon brains are actually replicating what we do in our own brains. But unlike what we're doing in where we this is a pure engineering process, we have to engineer through nutrition and lifestyle, in order that we can both number one, build the axiom dendrite connections, that's the learning that's your focus, that's where you develop skills, but also being able to manufacture sufficient numbers of neurochemicals and deliver them to the brain through high levels of blood flow. So that now that you can continue to learn way past what is commonly seen as your cognitive limit are your cognitive capabilities.
And the evidence is fascinating because if you look at neurofeedback models, you know, some people like 40 years of Zen at Dave Asprey function, which I'm a big fan of and go quite regularly, you can and a variety of other models, you're now able to see that people in 40, 50, 60 years old, 70, even 80 years old, are now able, through nutrition and technology to optimize brain function, regain cognitive speed, improve neurochemical balances, or your neurochemical kind of like a reservoir that allows you not only to build a higher functioning, cognitive performance, but to increase the quality of decisions and your overall health and happiness. And so now, we're super excited about this field, because I think it's necessary in order to to not lose so many great people inside the industry due to burnout, mental health issues, or serious health consequences that take them out of the game, just when they start to kind of hit their stride of of optimal capabilities.
Dr. Reiner Kraft 27:41
I know that makes a lot of sense. But now, let's, let's assume listeners to this, they said oh, yeah, this makes sense. I need to, I need to optimize my own system, I need to fuel it properly. As you also said earlier, it's kind of complex, and you went yourself, you went through a lot of different hoops, ups and downs. And on this journey I learned a lot. You mentioned some formula or some like five steps, anything. Could you maybe share on just a high level two or three things that someone who Now listens to this and says, oh, man, this is great. I fully agree this makes sense. What can I do to basically get started in a positive direction?
Wade Lightheart 28:24
Yeah, the great news is you can go to our BiOptimizers.com app, and I've put this out into a 12 week course. And I outlined seven key areas that people should put their time, energy and resources in, in order of first principles. And a lot of people start with food, you know, everybody's wondering what diet and stuff, but I always look at this look, diet is one thing, but you can go say a month, two months without eating, it's uncomfortable, but you will survive. You can only go a few weeks at most without water. Therefore water is more important than food. And then you go one step further. Well, is that the primary thing, no air, you can only go a few minutes without air. Okay, so before we get to diet, deep breathing, proper hydration, and then there's 1/3 thing. The third thing is all of the evidence in the psychological literature demonstrates that the one thing that will help you avoid cognitive decline more than anything else is regular exercise. Okay, so you can do all the computer games for cognitive performance, nothing trumps getting blood flow to the brain because these are the systems of delivery. It's like the electrical power quote, power grid to your brain. If you do not get this it doesn't work. So air, deep breathing mindfulness practice. proper hydration. No, that doesn't mean you know, these kinds of nervous system stimulant drinks and things like that we're talking real purified water. The third thing is regular daily exercise people, what's the best exercise, the one that you're going to do regularly? Okay, then that's going to vary between personal inclination, time constraints and things like that. But if you build that in, those three things are what I call the primary principles of the awesome formula. The formula is air water, exercise, sunlight, optimizers, mental beliefs and attitudes. And then finally, education, testing and coaching. That's the format. It's on the app, by optimizer that you can download it and I take you through five to 15 minute videos, you just follow along and how do you implement it so I give it away for free.
The other thing I think is important for digital people to understand is our interaction with blue light that's coming off computers and stuff that really disrupts our circadian rhythms. This puts an extreme load and production of cortisol on the system, which depresses other hormones inside the body, particularly testosterone, testosterone. If you look at why testosterone supplementation and TRT amongst tech people is very common, and also even at a very young age. So being mindful of the biohacking stuff, blue light blockers, I'm getting to bed at a proper time, most tech people are late night guys, they get you know, locked in a problem. And you know, it's three to four in the morning. And you know, it's kind of like Neo in the matrix kind of thing, that's really a very real thing. So be mindful of those things, so that you can optimize your sleep, because in sleep, this is where you actually defrag your car, your cognitive computer, this is the cleaning part of the system, which allows those receptors to stay shiny, active, and highly functional. without cleaning the machine, you start to build up gunk in the brain. And this leads to a variety of malaise in poor cognitive decisions, as well as just an overall lack of the, you know, vim and vigor for life. And so you want to be able to adjust those and set regular marks of monitoring. And this is where neurofeedback comes in. And some of the devices that are available, whether that's sleep monitors, you know, mindfulness machines and things like that, I think that there's an opportunity here for tech people to be using these things in correlation to make sure that they're at their carbon based best.
Dr. Reiner Kraft 32:43
No, it makes a lot of things. And thanks for sharing, we will definitely put the formula, the awesome formula, and all the other things you mentioned in the show notes so that people can get started. And I like this idea of a 12 week program, which is something that in this kind of structured way can be very helpful for a lot of the listeners here. Someone basically walks them through every week. So let's do this. Then go into the next one and the next one. But sharing this type of knowledge and as you said if you're giving these things even away for free images, high value that definitely I'll share for sure also in my network. And maybe one last question would be around the neurofeedback. Because I feel this is one. I started looking into neurofeedback also many years ago. And I've seen Oh man, this is a huge construction zone in the brain, which was completely not optimized at all. And nowadays face technology, and you can actually go into this and start tuning it using technology, maybe fair rested some quick impressions about you mentioned the 40 years of sem program, which I'm also very familiar with. But the listeners may not even have heard about any of this. So maybe in a very quick in a nutshell to share feedback on this was excellent.
Wade Lightheart 34:17
So kudos to, I think one of the fathers of modern neurofeedback, which is Dr. Hart, who runs a facility in Sedona, Arizona called biocybernaut. And both Dave and myself were students of his, basically, he was hooking up. He had built some algorithms that hooked up to your brain, and could measure brain responses in the body. And we began going to these week-long courses so that we could improve cognitive function, emotional availability, things like that. And the shifts in perception were great. Basically, it was using a silicon brain to give you feedback on your carbon brain. So how do you watch your brain if you're entering mindfulness and what Dr. Hart was able to discover is that you could get with with this kind of technology, you could advance your meditation by decades, in a quarter of a week, because now you have a way of when you're entering the right states to be able to monitor that and then recourse correct. Dave went on and expanded that operations in 40 years of Zen to offer a variety of more expansive choices, particularly related to, I think, digital executives. I'm a regular student, I go every six months, up to Dave's place and get that and he's done a great service of that.
While we were doing that, though, we also realized that there's a third element to this. And that was not just the practice, and not just the feedback, which was increasing the connections was in the actual production of the neurochemicals that allowed for faster connections, or more intense connections, or an expansion of the possibility of connections to different parts of the brain. So we started using a variety of nootropic substances in order to enhance this. And that then led to the development with one of our researchers who we call Mr. newts, which is a company called newtopia. The problem that people have with their brains is you have a variance in neurotransmitter dominance. This is determined by taking a Braverman test and seeing which neurochemical dominance that you have. Charles Poliquin was a coach of gold medal athletes in 27 different sports, he won gold medals for his students. And he used to test people for neurocognitive biochemical dominance. And if they had certain traits that would determine how often and how frequently you could train them because you knew how fast they could recover. So it turns out when it gets into, you know, regular humans not golden gold medalists, you have somewhere around eight dominant factors, and they work in different ways in combination. So it's not one single point. And so what we went about doing is developing a host of neurochemical options nootropics that would be curated individually for each person's brain because each person's brain is different. And then further allowing our chemists through feedback that the person provides to give them individualized, customized nootropic blends, because what would happen is if you're relying on say drugs like Adderall and things like that, you actually end up in neurochemical burnout. What we wanted to do is to organically flood the system with the appropriate neuro chemicals that were being used, so that you had a deeper reserve to extend your cognitive capabilities. And that's what we do.
Dr. Reiner Kraft 37:54
Well this is great, I definitely will share some links on this one as well. And I know that for the listeners, many of the listeners are here located in Europe. It is actually from Dr. Heart, they also have a facility here in Bavaria, which is very cool. I read about it as well. And I heard a lot of positive things. And yeah, and the other one, at the end of the day is in Davis, I think located in Canada right?
Wade Lightheart 38:26
Well he has two, he has one in Seattle, I am just outside of Seattle. And then I think he's just built a new one on Vancouver Island. I think he lives over there. And he's decided to expand his facilities for his own convenience. Good for him. I have yet to go there. I'm hoping to get up there this fall.
Dr. Reiner Kraft 38:46
Sounds good. No, that's great. And I like the combination of the nootropics along with the training along with mindfulness training, but more cutting edge technology like 40 years of Zen, so this is all great stuff. So I think a lot of interesting ideas, a lot of actionable tips here in this interview. Thanks. Wait for all the sharing of all this good stuff. We'll add all those links. As I said, you have maybe one last remark before we close off.
Wade Lightheart 39:19
Yes, indeed. We are going to see the emergence of a new humanity, whether that's the fusion with machines, whether that is the augmentation of the biology by machines, genetic engineering, neurocognitive enhancement, extensions of it, but at the end of the day, what makes us human is the cascade of the axiom dendrite connections, our ability to feed those through, I would say selective nutritional optimization, and being able to replenish the neurocognitive capabilities of our brains on a level that allows us to continue to expand and meet the demands of an increasingly complex or technologically driven world. And so just like computing power needs to continue to expand, leaders inside the tech world are now becoming clear that they have to upgrade and optimize their carbon based systems in order to be competitive in a very increasingly expansive world of the digital landscape. And so I'm excited to be there and assisting in that process.
Dr. Reiner Kraft 40:59
Very good. No, thanks a lot and we will share all those things. Thanks for taking the time, Wade.
Wade Lightheart 41:06
Thanks for having me.